Another myth perpetrated by old time Synanon members, and apology writers, like Janzen, looking for fans among ex-Synanon members, is that Synanon played a role in civil rights. I had gotten your phone number from Ben Parks. When he begged to see a doctor, the staff sneered at him and called him a faker and asked him if he were homosexual.. it would be interesting to see you rewrite a summary of what I wrote so it could be judged whether or not you understood it. Per Dr. Robert J. Lifton, this is what one would expect from any totalitarianism environment after removal. We were beaten for the slightest infractions of the rules. After all why should they not get paid for all that work? Suggest you get my book on Amazonmy life was not limited to Synanon. The monster that now existed had to be stopped. Thats the nature of our business. My discussion is on the known today dangers of a hatchery (abandonment syndrome) which Susan Richardson wrote about, the psychological affects of attack therapy which can cause psychological damage, including psychotic breaks (which happened at Synanon) and how everyone finally bought into the enemy at the door who were all prejudiced against them and finally reduced Synanon to a state of mind where propaganda ruled over truth, all the ideals were tossed out and a growing comparison to the Manson family was in place. Further, while brainwashing might be a form of keeping a person from drugs, leaving all decision making to the masters was a recipe for disaster. As to your comment Tim that I am not the only valid source or authority on cults, that is obviously true. In October of 1977 press conference Dan Garrett bragged that after beating the shit out of (Dinuba punks teenagers retrieving their car) we told them to tell all their friends this is just a taste of what will happen next time; and that as to the San Francisco punks we put 4 of them in the hospital. He further admitted they ran some cock suckers into a ditch and shaved their heads. The authorities closed it down. Joe was a thug and a gangster, but when a law abiding citizen said so, Joe sued his bank and won ten million dollars. Margo, you say you are a successful attorney. Synanons most important legacy was to fulfill sociologist Edgar Freidenberg prediction after reading Yablonskys book that the organization was punitive, brainwashed and would ultimately create a dangerous state of mind. Early on they selected former Synanite David Deitch to run Daytop but later released him when they claimed he tried to set up a Communist-based political action committee of ex-drug addicts. You might call that egotistical, but I felt I had that knowledge because I had engaged so many. it would take a few generations for this to work out. This intrusive, assertive therapeutic style works well for a few clients but may injure many more. Professor Bellis noted that, A number of clients. Such people probably would be happier in a small environment with given friends, lovers, jobs and a sense of purpose, where most needs are fulfilled. This issue obviously needs further elaboration and research, but there are suggestions that there are age limits below which this form of treatment is contraindicated. . And when former clients sued Straight for holding them against their will, Straight pressured parents into letting Straight fight for them for the right to force their kids into treatment with the force of a court order. We were indoctrinated quickly thru fear, humiliation,and the constant threat of physical violence. Followers joined Synanon, from the first beach house location in Santa Monica that expanded to San Francisco, Oakland, all across California, and the nation. Thousands of people joined and the organization acquired millions of dollars in assets. Free choice is an American ideal, and we sacrifice for it, to preserve it, because as a nation we believe it is our greatest freedom. Below is a chart made by Maia in Mother Jones: A. Orange on his website lists interesting quotes: Tough Love: Abuse of a type particularly gratifying to the abuser, in that it combines the pleasures of sadism with those of self-righteousness. I find I edit better after I posted and edited this one about 5 times so far. Out of 1,180 addicts who had entered Synanon in its first five years of operation, only 26 had graduated. Unfortunately, came the imitators who sold the idea it was rehabilitative and copied it leading to a much greater list of damaged individuals than Synanon could ever achieve. Saying his death was caused by cardiac arrest, said Cohen, is really sugar-coating the pill as he was tortured to death and also denied medical treatment. Looking back, I think my brother was appropriately angry with the adults.". What you write is not experience of all. The same result was stated by Steve Simon in his Harvard dissertation only in much more elaborate detail. *.*..*. The effects of this type of interaction upon a fragile self-image and upon later impulse control in the world at large have not been determined. Education website. Some children have been placed for nothing more than marijuana smoking, and some because the programs told the parents unless they gave them the younger kid they would expel the older sibling. Anybody. In 1980, the cult leader received widespread attention when he pleaded no contest to charges of assault and conspiracy to commit murder after he and two other Synanon members attempted to kill Paul Morantz, a lawyer who had successfully sued Synanon, by putting a four-and-a-half foot rattlesnake in his mailbox. Founded in 1958, Synanon sold itself as a cure for hardcore heroin addicts who could help each other by breaking new initiates with isolation, humiliation, hard labor, and sleep deprivation. It just seems monstrous.". After 30 years of pondering, I came full circle and realized that sociologist Richard Ofshe had analyzed it right from the start. The founder, Charles Dederich, ordered his cult followers to divorce and swap partners, with more than 200 couples complying. I witnessed a few cow boy ass kickings. Now that Jollett is a father he has a 3-year-old son and 3-month-old daughter with wife Lizette he says that his life has undergone another transformation. Some had warned of the potential dangers of using synanons (game) on adults. Synanon Industries August 23, 2022 2. The truth is Santa Monica was enforcing a valid zoning prohibition. Yet at the same time, the noise Synanon made did wake up people to the idea, not yet existing, that cure was possible. Elan generated very large tax revenues for the state of Maine. Eventually in a 1978 tape recording called The Freebees are over Dederich set forth the plan to establish a private corporation, Home Place, Inc. in Arizona which would charge Synanon for rotating people to the new compound to be educated by Dederich and that Synanon would pay the corporation for this, which then would pay salaries to Dederich and his cronies, of which they would pay taxes. And that Susan, is what differentiates us, from other countries where there is no freedom of press. one, it was a hard fought battle. If you have read all my entries you would know I have written about the early philosophies of the early Synanon and how many who incorporated those philosophies because of that when they left came forward to testify because of those philosophies. Its goal was to take it to the context of greater society.I would appreciate you know your feelings. Being a journalist, I find this approach, which was not just unique with him, disappointing and when we realize there are a lot of people like that, he creates a problem for researchers trying to ascertain history. Facing seven-figure legal judgments, despite ties with the Bush family and Nancy Reagan, it closed in 1993. In 1993, Dr. DuPont testified that the progenitor of Straight was Synanon and that those places which used Synanons methods are called therapeutic communities and that there are two rules for these therapeutic communities: No Sex and No Violence. Hopefully somedaywe get back the candidates like that; but Im not smart enough to suggest how. And back is my reply to you. The Cedu schools (one in California, and one in Idaho) were each located in a mountain wilderness, and students soon discovered that they were teenage captives, without identification or money, in an imposing geography they could not easily or safely negotiate or escape. He told me he was completing a book on Synanon. The real origins of the Cedu schools remained hidden from the students, their parents and much of the staff until years after their graduation or departure. Synanon was a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center and movement-turned-cult in California that existed from 1958 to 1991. "Then my dad became extremely interested in my life. my last chapter in my book did just exactly what you asked which was put my what you call myscholarly talents on the American cult. Great concept, even though the eventual plan was to charge the givers and receivers and in Dederich words become Synanons greatest money makerwhich in turn would make him rich. The methods the religious community used to break down the members are still used in rehab facilities across the United States. Its just simply if your writing a book on the history of an organization and you are aware that someone filed multiple actions against it, and they tried to murder him for it, if you are a journalist you are going to interview that person. First, while our government says that all people are equal the fact is they are not born equal. A 15-year-old boy died from a staph infection at a Colorado wilderness program. If one thought about it, does one really need to go to a rehab to stop taking pain pills or a little drinking or smoking marijuana; these were and are issues that the medical profession could not fail in guiding if one wanted to quitreducing, changing or eliminating prescriptions. Also, because of time restraints, I put up the information so it is there and then go back and edit when I have the chance. no Mr. Vandeman I am not deleting this as it is not as vulgar as the others. He had beaten me time wise. Need your help! Over the years as I wrote c. upon chapter of Synanon history, I have mainly received nothing but great comments from people. By clicking Accept All Cookies, you agree to the storing of cookies on your device to enhance site navigation, analyze site usage, and assist in our marketing efforts. WebSynanon Survivors is celebrating 4 years!!! when the uniqueness of adolescent psychological development is not understood and incorporated into clinical practice. No one will be mad at you. (17), The evidence has shown that brutal, verbal confrontation sessions are no more effective in controlling drug abuse among adult hard-core heroin addicts than other methods of control. Congratulations. In one sense it becomes like the question of which came first the chicken or the egg. As a key distinction between comparing Synanon to America, those in Synanon who tried to warn or criticize were shut down and shoved out. As stated in earlier chapter, one study on encounter groups in 1971 found the Synanon methods of attack therapy was the most likely to create psychological injury, and the experiment led to mental breakdowns and one suicide. you might also want to watch Cal. People had to know its dangers before making choices to support or join. Were they all out to get rich at the sadistic treatment of others, or was this end in part of natural consequence of using such a punitive system, as suggested by the Stanford experiment on role playing of prisoners and guards? I welcome anyones story, questions or facts; the only thing I delete is attacking the messenger; attack facts if you can but I am not going to have gaming on here, get the speaker when you cannot challenge the info. By example, as compiled by Dr. Ofshe, in 1961 all Dederich reported was that 70 out of 176 addicts had stayed for 5 days. standing in line at a supermarketI get it reading the rags past the time. This was written before he joined. A Violent, Deadly Cult With Forced Abortions and Shades of Scientology FOLLOW THE LEADER San Francisco Chronicle/Hearst Newspapers via Getty Images Sincerely Yes it was a tough nut to crack and in part due to the protection it recieved. But he ruled them out as heretics, not ever once, as did Janzen, do, as Deep Throat suggested to the Watergate investigators: follow the money.. And it was repeated in books by Yablonsky and Endore and unfortunately repeated a decade ago by Janzen. That is not ego. In 1972 he reported on the case of a 12 year old boy who had been admitted, along with older clients, to a second generation Synanon called The Odyssey House in New York City. As stated, Dederich, himself, admitted at deposition that he created the boogeyman to bond people and keep them from running away. And I still do. No one knows the actual final fate of the 19. Dederich said those who left fell through the open manhole and would post descriptions of their calamities for all to see as a warning if they ever left. I am also assuming that you have learned some of these things since you wrote this post-as I have seen some things you have written since that I was quite impressed by. He wrote the failure of Yablonsky to see the horror of what he had written raised questions suggesting a lack of humanity in Yablonsky. A belief system based upon coercive persuasion is expected by all who have studied it to be largely abandoned when the pressures are removed. Kenton, through no fault of his own, was placed in the Synanon school by square musician parents and at age 18 became the youngest member of the Imperial Marines. The Old Man would testify that he never gave a splitee a single thought from the moment each left. Tony, always angry as a child, sank into addiction at an early age and went to rehab. [Chuck] Dederich [Synanons founder], an exile from A.A., is credited with being the genius behind the TC [therapeutic community] movement and Leon Brill acknowledges in The Clinical Treatment of Substance Abusers that the original therapeutic community directed by ex-addicts was Synanon though others, he writes, such as Daytop Village, Odyssey House and Phoenix House in New York City have used psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers and other professionals as part of their staff; in an article for Substance Abuse: Clinical Problems and Perspectives written in 1981, Deitch and Zweben acknowledge that Synanon is the progenitor of the present-day therapeutic communities., As Fager summarized: Almost all modern day therapeutic communitiesand there are hundreds of themare based on synanons. In 1974, Congress opened an investigation into such behavior-modification programs, finding that The Seed had used methods similar to the highly refined brainwashing techniques employed by the North Koreans. In my opinion Elan operated as a continueing criminal enterprise for close to forty years. "I think the insight for me was I always loved her, she just wasn't very good at loving me. During these group assaults on individual residents in the hot seat, especially newcomers, any castigation and ridicule appear to come from the whole community of clients. Her alleged crimepetty theft. In context, my conversation with Rod Janzen, as he certainly knew of me, and if he was a true journalist, he would have had to interview me to follow all leads. Elan made millions and millions of dollars, off of criminal child abuse. Maybe if I had written sooner some would still be alive. Yet it was from this that the miracle was proclaimed. . First, Susan, good to hear from you again. Some people, whether from genes or experiences, or combinations thereof, just are not capable of living a good life on their own. In 2007 I did a report for the court on how generations of children in one-family were disordered from the German background of the grandmother who went from aristocratic to holocaust survivor. Sam Gillette is a books Writer/Reporter for People.com and People Magazine. Jollett, 45, tells PEOPLE about the abuse he and many other children experienced while growing up in the "school" of the infamous Synanon cult. Stop telling me this didn't happen, because this happened.'" Nov 04, 2017 Daina Fanning rated it really liked it. Forty four years later, with Joe dead and Elan closed down survivors are still searching for someone in a position of authority to admit that what happened there was abuse. Thank you again Paul for taking my call back in May of 2011,and for taking an interest in the Elan cult. Further, history has taught me that what I usually suspected turned out to be accurate. The medical examiners office said Haynes died of complications from dehydration and near-drowning dehydration after being made to stand in the sun for up to five hours, the near-drowning from being left in a motel bathtub, where he had been taken to cool him off. This is not a criticism of that policy; but just the fact that it was insignificant in relation to the civil rights movement which was raging in the 60s and pushed by the Kennedys, Martin Luther King, and many black actors and athletes and my generation that marched and died in name of civil rights. But he was tapped for his past violent tendencies and unleashed like Russell Crowe in L. The group ultimately became a cult called the Church of Synanon in the 1970s. Synanon disbanded in 1991 [6] due to members being convicted of criminal activities (including attempted murder) and retroactive loss of its tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) due to financial misdeeds, destruction of evidence, and terrorism. [7] but if I missed something please tell me. Childrens deaths in tough love boot camps include: Michelle Sutton, 15, Summit Quest, Utah, 1990. To me there is good reason why Elan was not on the the map. Further it established shelter and group support could aid those truly wanting to stop. In terms of drug addiction, thats where it ends. But you make many assumptions about me. And that number was highly inflated by injection of squares and children born to addicts and squares alike. So is the eventual years later reverting to a longing for the days of comrades and cause. Others reported in 1973 that the Synanon absorbing members was retention, not rehabilitation, a result found unfortunately in many of the Synanon clones, which Synanon bragged 2,400 existed. At one time, the view I had was believing that brainwashing was probably an ideal cure, but at what cost? I talked with you briefly about Elan and of its closing. This story "In the case of my brother, he became the scapegoat. As I wrote the youth did not buy in as did the parents, you sound like one of them. My book, you obviously did not read, you will be happy to know was edited sufficiently to eliminate all bad grammar. He worked hard in high school and ended up earning a scholarship to Stanford. Today as it is known that alcoholic recovery has a 40% success rate with no treatment at all; it is doubtful AA can surpass that. The Sunshine Place investigates Synanon through survivors, former members, and more Society & Culture August 10, 2022 Listen to The Sunshine Place And that was great. Your comments is like talking about Nazi tea parties and trains running on time while someone else is talking about the Holocaust. Jollett says his feelings were not validated by his mother, who instead relied on him for comfort. Originally a nonviolent group, Diedrich created the Imperial Marines to maintain orderwithin and outside of the community. Good luck. The main reason in stopping in 2000 was a telephone call from Rod Janzen asking to confirm the date I was bit by the Snake. In Maias book it is described one woman was not even allowed to leave a teen rehab after she turned 18, the organization threatening her mother to toss out her younger child if the mother took the older one back. Jollett and his older brother Tony were taken from their parents his father a recovered addict and former convict, his mother an anti-government activist from Berkeley when they were just 6 months old. Since I had as friends, people like Bernie Kolb and Ben Parks, who went from long-term addictions to long time great human beings, I concluded something there must have worked. Fager wrote: Dr. Ofshe who had been allowed inside Synanon to study it contacted Dave Mitchell in 1978 to ask if he was serious about investigating Synanon because violence could not occur randomly under Synanons controls and can only occur at direction of management (later admitted by Dederich at deposition). Also, I have had cases with female cult leaders, and have confronted in my life many pathological and dangerous persons, both male and female. .It is also clear that the psychological effects of this modality upon different age groups have not been adequately studied., In 1974 Arnold Rachman and M. Heller warned about using the Game with kids when they wrote: There is a serious shortcoming within the theory and the practice of the T.C. "Our parents weren't bad people, they didn't choose to turn their children into orphans. I was being sincere. And that you should try to see people the way God sees them. And in the end, what I presented were facts, i.e., the actual statistics, what happened in the clones and the general consensus of experts that the Synanon system of brainwashing, punishments and humiliations is counterproductive and psychologically dangerous. This was Synanon had its worse, andit is not permitted here. you say I profit from yellow Journalism sort of an oxymoron given the fact that my website is free. Professor David Bellis was one. I have described them as people who either came for help, to give help, or both. Poor and, at one point, subsisting mostly off of rabbits they raised and butchered in their backyard, Jollett was unable to process the trauma he'd experienced, according to the book. WebSynanon eventually unraveled in a series of assaults and attempted murder. It was far from being just Synanon. I was taken there by my mother. You think I didnt experience Synanon, but I did. I am a Synanon survivor. In the last chapter I discussed the same aspects you mentioned about television and politics. And thats it for the idea that Synanon played a role in curing drug addiction. Once again, her counselors said that she was faking when she complained. All the civil rights marches, the anti-Vietnam protests, were uniting people of all races. I was inducted in late 1976 at the age of 14. 1 talking about this. Spare the Rod Healing. I dont think this means we are losing our civil rights as dramatically as you think, because I think most people see through this and are disgusted by it. The problem of these programs was it was believed it was justified to use any means, denying human and civil rights and treating people who didnt need treatment; all this done without any proof that behavior modification programs ever worked. Learning of all the horrors and deaths that occurred in the clones over the past decades I only wish I had, as you accuse a single career in criticizing Synanon. Its like, its like the story Ive always told you, you know about the warden standing up on the, looking out the window of his office and down in the big yard and saying, Come here, George, watch em theyll all fuck each other pretty soon you know, we, we, we most of the people to come into our house and say I would like to live here and turn out to be very, very real crazy people. Even AA, which similarly indoctrinated a specific dogma the 12 steps is seen as not so successful as promoted and/or a proper therapy to cure alcoholism as it demands a dogmatic conversion and life time attendance that has been proven not necessary. Childrens deaths in synanon survivors love boot camps include: Michelle Sutton, 15, Quest. Margo, you sound like one of them before making choices to or! 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